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Question about Rudra Trishati
Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-03 15:20:16 UTC
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Namaste

In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.

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Subramanya Uchangi Hiriyannaiah
2012-09-03 15:27:30 UTC
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Trishati (300 NAMES) is chanted after Rudrabhisheka using flowers or Tulsi
or bilva for each name. This is available in Mahanyasa book published from
Ramakrishnashram, Bangalore and the script is in kannada. TRISHATI is part
of Rudradhyaya.


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> Namaste
>
> In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
> Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
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Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-03 16:08:10 UTC
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Namaste

Rudra Trishati has Svaras like Veda Mantras.
http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/shrirudratrishati.pdf

This will mean Non Dvijas and women cannot say it? They can say Bilva
Ashtaka and offer Bilva.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Subramanya Uchangi Hiriyannaiah
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trishati (300 NAMES) is chanted after Rudrabhisheka using flowers or Tulsi
> or bilva for each name. This is available in Mahanyasa book published from
> Ramakrishnashram, Bangalore and the script is in kannada. TRISHATI is part
> of Rudradhyaya.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <***@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Namaste
>>
>> In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
>> Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> -Venkatesh
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>
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>
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Sunil Bhattacharjya
2012-09-03 18:05:42 UTC
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Namaste,

The initiated women like Gargi  could probably say this.

Regards,
Sunil KB




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Namaste

Rudra Trishati has Svaras like Veda Mantras.
http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/shrirudratrishati.pdf

This will mean Non Dvijas and women cannot say it? They can say Bilva
Ashtaka and offer Bilva.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Subramanya Uchangi Hiriyannaiah
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Trishati (300 NAMES) is chanted after Rudrabhisheka  using flowers or Tulsi
> or bilva for each name. This is available in Mahanyasa book published from
> Ramakrishnashram, Bangalore and the script is in kannada. TRISHATI is part
> of Rudradhyaya.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <***@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Namaste
>>
>> In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
>> Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> -Venkatesh
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>
>
> --
> Warm regards
>
> *U H Subramanya
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sriram
2012-09-04 12:08:07 UTC
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Dear Sri Venkatesh Murthy
Rudra Thrisathi is nothing but the namakam portion of Sri Rudram commencing
from the second anuvakam to the ninth.Sri Rudram is from Krishna Yajur Veda
and therefore to be treated at par with Vedadhyanam.Rudra Thrisathi is easy
to utter as it is rendered in the form of a namavali.R.Krishnamoorthy.
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> Namaste
>
> Rudra Trishati has Svaras like Veda Mantras.
> http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/shrirudratrishati.pdf
>
> This will mean Non Dvijas and women cannot say it? They can say Bilva
> Ashtaka and offer Bilva.
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Subramanya Uchangi Hiriyannaiah
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Trishati (300 NAMES) is chanted after Rudrabhisheka using flowers or
>> Tulsi
>> or bilva for each name. This is available in Mahanyasa book published
>> from
>> Ramakrishnashram, Bangalore and the script is in kannada. TRISHATI is
>> part
>> of Rudradhyaya.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Venkatesh Murthy
>> <***@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste
>>>
>>> In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
>>> Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> -Venkatesh
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Warm regards
>>
>> *U H Subramanya
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Bhaskar YR
2012-09-04 12:16:23 UTC
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Dear Sri Venkatesh Murthy
Rudra Thrisathi is nothing but the namakam portion of Sri Rudram
commencing
from the second anuvakam to the ninth.Sri Rudram is from Krishna Yajur
Veda
and therefore to be treated at par with Vedadhyanam.Rudra Thrisathi is
easy
to utter as it is rendered in the form of a namavali

praNAms
Hare Krishna

Yes, it starts from namO hiraNyabAhave namaH with intonations. So, it is
as good as veda pArAyaNa. But lalitA trishati is not like that. It is
both in stOtra rUpa & nAmAvaLi but without any svara-s. Normally we chant
this in rudrArchana vidhi along with krama & ghana pAta of the namaka.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Abhishek Madhyastha
2012-09-04 18:00:48 UTC
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Pranams,

If I'm right, the rudra trishati can be recited for archana purpose
while using a bilwa/tulsi leaf for each name. However, in the sri
rudra japa aka Rudraprashnaha abhishekam must be done to the Shiva
linga continuosly till the end of the japa(namaka+chamaka). This can
observed during the Chandramoulishwara puja by H.H Jagadguru Bharati
Tirtha Mahaswami, the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. You can observe many
vaidhiks doing the japa while Mahaswamiji continuosly does abhishekam
to the Chandramoulishwara spatika linga.

-Regards,
Abhishek Madhyastha

On 9/4/12, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Dear Sri Venkatesh Murthy
> Rudra Thrisathi is nothing but the namakam portion of Sri Rudram
> commencing
> from the second anuvakam to the ninth.Sri Rudram is from Krishna Yajur
> Veda
> and therefore to be treated at par with Vedadhyanam.Rudra Thrisathi is
> easy
> to utter as it is rendered in the form of a namavali
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> Yes, it starts from namO hiraNyabAhave namaH with intonations. So, it is
> as good as veda pArAyaNa. But lalitA trishati is not like that. It is
> both in stOtra rUpa & nAmAvaLi but without any svara-s. Normally we chant
> this in rudrArchana vidhi along with krama & ghana pAta of the namaka.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Sarma KV
2012-09-04 18:10:37 UTC
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>> But lalitA trishati is not like that. It is
>> both in stOtra rUpa & nAmAvaLi but without any svara-s

lalita triSati is comprised of names starting from the 15 letters of the
panchadaSaakshari maha-mantra of Lalita Tripura Sundari. This is from
mantra Saastra, not from vEda like Siva triSati, and hence does not have
swara-s.

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Abhishek Madhyastha
<***@gmail.com>wrote:

> Pranams,
>
> If I'm right, the rudra trishati can be recited for archana purpose
> while using a bilwa/tulsi leaf for each name. However, in the sri
> rudra japa aka Rudraprashnaha abhishekam must be done to the Shiva
> linga continuosly till the end of the japa(namaka+chamaka). This can
> observed during the Chandramoulishwara puja by H.H Jagadguru Bharati
> Tirtha Mahaswami, the Shankaracharya of Sringeri. You can observe many
> vaidhiks doing the japa while Mahaswamiji continuosly does abhishekam
> to the Chandramoulishwara spatika linga.
>
> -Regards,
> Abhishek Madhyastha
>
> On 9/4/12, Bhaskar YR <***@in.abb.com> wrote:
> > Dear Sri Venkatesh Murthy
> > Rudra Thrisathi is nothing but the namakam portion of Sri Rudram
> > commencing
> > from the second anuvakam to the ninth.Sri Rudram is from Krishna Yajur
> > Veda
> > and therefore to be treated at par with Vedadhyanam.Rudra Thrisathi is
> > easy
> > to utter as it is rendered in the form of a namavali
> >
> > praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> >
> > Yes, it starts from namO hiraNyabAhave namaH with intonations. So, it is
> > as good as veda pArAyaNa. But lalitA trishati is not like that. It is
> > both in stOtra rUpa & nAmAvaLi but without any svara-s. Normally we
> chant
> > this in rudrArchana vidhi along with krama & ghana pAta of the namaka.
> >
> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> > bhaskar
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Bhaskar YR
2012-09-05 08:58:19 UTC
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praNAms
Hare Krishna

If I'm right, the rudra trishati can be recited for archana purpose
while using a bilwa/tulsi leaf for each name.

> yes, ashtOttara (108 names of shiva) and krama pAtha also can be done
for the rudra archana vidhi. And for the bilwArchana, tridaLam,
triguNAkAram, trinetrancha triyAyudhaM, trijanma pApasaMhAram eka bilvaM
shivArpaNam stOtra-s also can be recited.

However, in the sri rudra japa aka Rudraprashnaha abhishekam must be done
to the Shiva
linga continuosly till the end of the japa(namaka+chamaka).

> yes, both namaka & chamaka will be recited for the rudrAbhishekaM.
However, in some parts of the South India, (in Bangalore Ritvika prapancha
:-)) namaka is used for the rudra shOdashOpachAra pooja (like purusha
sUkta), for example, for dhUpa we chant 'vijyaM dhanuH kapardino', for
nirAnjana ' namaste astu bhagavan vishweshvarAya, and for the maNtra
pushpa 'drApe andhasaspate' maNtra'. And in hOma-s, during vasOrdhAra we
recite 'shanchame' (3rd anuvAka of chamaka prashna). So, viniyOga of
these maNtra-s not only restricted to only rudrAbhishekaM.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
V Subrahmanian
2012-09-05 09:32:18 UTC
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On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>


> And in hOma-s, during vasOrdhAra we
> recite 'shanchame' (3rd anuvAka of chamaka prashna).


Generally during varordhArA the entire chamaka portion will be recited. It
would take some seven minutes. That is the speed in which this is done.
The head purohit will make a short speech before that to say: in chamaka
we pray for 'everything'. Please remain quiet and listen to the mantra.'

subrahmanian.v


> So, viniyOga of
> these maNtra-s not only restricted to only rudrAbhishekaM.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-05 10:46:21 UTC
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Namaste

Namaka and Chamaka Abhisheka comes afterwards. Before that Panchamruta
Abhisheka is done with Apyayasva and other Mantras. In between
Shuddhodaka Snana is done with Sadyojatam Prapadyami Mantras.

> <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> If I'm right, the rudra trishati can be recited for archana purpose
> while using a bilwa/tulsi leaf for each name.
>
>> yes, ashtOttara (108 names of shiva) and krama pAtha also can be done
> for the rudra archana vidhi. And for the bilwArchana, tridaLam,
> triguNAkAram, trinetrancha triyAyudhaM, trijanma pApasaMhAram eka bilvaM
> shivArpaNam stOtra-s also can be recited.
>
> However, in the sri rudra japa aka Rudraprashnaha abhishekam must be done
> to the Shiva
> linga continuosly till the end of the japa(namaka+chamaka).
>
>> yes, both namaka & chamaka will be recited for the rudrAbhishekaM.
> However, in some parts of the South India, (in Bangalore Ritvika prapancha
> :-)) namaka is used for the rudra shOdashOpachAra pooja (like purusha
> sUkta), for example, for dhUpa we chant 'vijyaM dhanuH kapardino', for
> nirAnjana ' namaste astu bhagavan vishweshvarAya, and for the maNtra
> pushpa 'drApe andhasaspate' maNtra'. And in hOma-s, during vasOrdhAra we
> recite 'shanchame' (3rd anuvAka of chamaka prashna). So, viniyOga of
> these maNtra-s not only restricted to only rudrAbhishekaM.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Bhaskar YR
2012-09-05 10:53:53 UTC
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Shuddhodaka Snana is done with Sadyojatam Prapadyami Mantras.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

sadyOjAta, vAmadeva, tatpurusha, aghOra and IshAna maNtra-s are not part
of shatarudreeya, but yes, we use these maNtra-s in panchAmrutAbhishekaM.
and in mahanyAsa as well.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-06 04:32:52 UTC
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Namaste Sri Bhaskar

I heard from one priest in the temple we have to use Tila Akshate for
Siva Pooja because He likes it very much.

What is this Tila Akshata? It may be Tila and Rice mixed. We should
not use normal Akshate?

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Shuddhodaka Snana is done with Sadyojatam Prapadyami Mantras.
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> sadyOjAta, vAmadeva, tatpurusha, aghOra and IshAna maNtra-s are not part
> of shatarudreeya, but yes, we use these maNtra-s in panchAmrutAbhishekaM.
> and in mahanyAsa as well.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Bhaskar YR
2012-09-06 06:07:02 UTC
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What is this Tila Akshata? It may be Tila and Rice mixed. We should
not use normal Akshate?

praNAms
Hare Krishna

Yes, tilAkshata means raw rice and tila mixed. rudra is smashANa vAsi,
hence we use tila (like we use in pitru kArya) mixed with tandula. We
give tarpaNa also with this tilAkshata 'bhavaM devaM tarpayAmi, sharvaM
devaM tarpayAmi etc. and their patni-s also bhavasya devasya
patneestarpayAmi, sharvasya devasya patneestarpayAmi etc. I think because
of rudra is smashANa vAsi, after offering AjyAhuti in hOma, we would wash
our hands (apa upa sprushya) to get rid of ashoucha.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-06 12:13:41 UTC
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Namaste

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, tilAkshata means raw rice and tila mixed. rudra is smashANa vAsi,
> hence we use tila (like we use in pitru kArya) mixed with tandula. We
> give tarpaNa also with this tilAkshata 'bhavaM devaM tarpayAmi, sharvaM
> devaM tarpayAmi etc. and their patni-s also bhavasya devasya
> patneestarpayAmi, sharvasya devasya patneestarpayAmi etc. I think because
> of rudra is smashANa vAsi, after offering AjyAhuti in hOma, we would wash
> our hands (apa upa sprushya) to get rid of ashoucha.
I don't think Tila will cause ashoucha. I have seen black Tila is used
in Sankalpa for some Ganapati Pooja and they use Black Tila in homa
also. They won't wash the hands afterwards.


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Regards

-Venkatesh
Bhaskar YR
2012-09-06 12:23:15 UTC
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I don't think Tila will cause ashoucha. I have seen black Tila is used
in Sankalpa for some Ganapati Pooja and they use Black Tila in homa
also. They won't wash the hands afterwards.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

I did not say use of krishna tila itself causes ashoucha. For that matter
main dravya for the rudra hOma is Ajya mishrita tila vreehi. I just
said, after the AjyAhuti to rudra, mantrOkta devata-s, pitrus, (like in
jayAdi hOma in yajurvedeeya agnimukha) we would wash our hands by saying
apa upa sprushya. I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
far it is true.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Sunil Bhattacharjya
2012-09-06 15:39:45 UTC
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Namaste,

Krisshna-tila is considered very holy. One should not spill it on the floor as it is said the if one puts one's foot on the Krishna-tila he has commits a  papa, equivalent to Brahma-hatya.

Regards,
Sunil KB




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I don't think Tila will cause ashoucha. I have seen black Tila is used
in Sankalpa for some Ganapati Pooja and they use Black Tila in homa
also. They won't wash the hands afterwards.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

I did not say use of krishna tila itself causes ashoucha. For that matter
main dravya for the rudra hOma is Ajya mishrita tila vreehi.  I just
said, after the  AjyAhuti to rudra, mantrOkta devata-s, pitrus, (like in
jayAdi hOma in yajurvedeeya agnimukha)  we would wash our hands by saying
apa upa sprushya.  I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi.  I
heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-))  But I donot know how
far it is true.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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sriram
2012-09-07 15:49:28 UTC
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Dear Sri Sunil Bhattachajya
May be held sacred.But during Srardha ceremonies it is sprinkled on the
floor to driveaway the evilforces too before the pithru representativeand
Viswedhevar representative sit for the srardha meals.R.Krishnamoorthy.
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Namaste,

Krisshna-tila is considered very holy. One should not spill it on the floor
as it is said the if one puts one's foot on the Krishna-tila he has commits
a papa, equivalent to Brahma-hatya.

Regards,
Sunil KB




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I don't think Tila will cause ashoucha. I have seen black Tila is used
in Sankalpa for some Ganapati Pooja and they use Black Tila in homa
also. They won't wash the hands afterwards.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

I did not say use of krishna tila itself causes ashoucha. For that matter
main dravya for the rudra hOma is Ajya mishrita tila vreehi. I just
said, after the AjyAhuti to rudra, mantrOkta devata-s, pitrus, (like in
jayAdi hOma in yajurvedeeya agnimukha) we would wash our hands by saying
apa upa sprushya. I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
far it is true.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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V Subrahmanian
2012-09-06 15:58:47 UTC
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On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
> I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
> heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
> shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
> bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
> far it is true.
>

I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.

subrahmanian.v

>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Venkatesh Murthy
2012-09-06 16:22:46 UTC
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Namaste

Siva can make Pativrata Strees like Rishi Patnis to lose control and
run after him leaving back the husbands.

http://www.theshiva.net/Nageshvar-jyotirlinga-temple.html

"According to a narrative, the Balakhilyas, a group of dwarf sages
worshipped Shiva in darukavana for long time. To test their devotion
and patience, Shiva came to the Darukavana as an digambara (nude)
ascetic, wearing only Nagas[serpants] in his body. Wives of sages were
attracted and ran after the ascetic, leaving back their husbands.
Sages got very disturbed and frustruated with this. They lost their
patience and cursed ascetic to loose his linga. Shivalinga fell on the
earth and whole world trembled. Brahma and Vishnu came to Shiva,
requested him to save earth from destruction and take back his linga.
Shiva consoled them and took back his linga.(Vamana Purana Ch.6 and
45) Shiva promised his divine presence in Darukavana as Jyotirlinga
for ever. Later Darukavana became favourate place of Nagas and Vasuki
worshipped Shiva here for long and there after the Jyotirlinga came to
be known as Nagnath or Nageshvara."

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
>> I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
>> heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
>> shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
>> bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
>> far it is true.
>>
>
> I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
> Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
> town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
> there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
> reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
> the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.
>
> subrahmanian.v
>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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-Venkatesh
Sunil Bhattacharjya
2012-09-06 16:27:32 UTC
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Namaste,

This is a clear sign that Sri Ramanujacharya did not read the Skandopanishad, where it is said that Vishnu is the heart of Shiva and Shiva is the heart of Vishnu. Probably he did not even read the Mahabharata, which Vedavyasa, on his own admission, composed for the benefit of the laypersons, including woman. The Mahabharata  has Arjuna's prayer to Lord Shiva, where Arjuna said Shiva is Hari and Hari is Shiva. We the Yajurvedi brahmanas from the eastern part of India chant the verse in our puja as follows:

om namah shivaya vishnurupine vishnave shivarupine
namo anadishaya namo hari haratmane.

Regards,
Sunil KB





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On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

>
>
> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>  I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi.  I
> heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
> shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
> bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-))  But I donot know how
> far it is true.
>

I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
town there was a very heavy downpour.  When someone from a Shiva temple
there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
reported to have replied:  A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha.  In
the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.

subrahmanian.v

>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Gopal
2012-09-07 14:14:36 UTC
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Dear Sri Subramanian,

While i am not sure, like you, how true is the incident in Sri Acharya's
life, very recently I had to witness a similar behavior by acontemporary
sri vaishnava pravachana kartha. I do not want to name the bhagavatha in
a public list. In the place where I currently reside, both siva and
vishnu sannithis are side by side though following respective aagamaa-s for
puja vaibhavam. This gentleman refused to go near siva, siva family
deities but walked straight to Balaji sannidhi before started to give a
talk on hindu religion. This was witnessed by a dozen laymen devotees who
were perplexed. The snubbed priests are sivaachariyaar-s and at least 2 of
them are dvivedhi-s. He was not disrespectful to them but told them on
their face: " I do not visit siva sannidhi-s". I am glad Sri Raama did
not think so before the battle nor the rishi drushta of naraya suktam who
declared : sa brahma, sa shiva, sa hari, sa indra..".

Adding on to another response, it is not just veera shaivetes and
lingayats, many madhwas abhor vibhoodi prasaadam, visiting shiva temples
after bath etc. I have not heard a maadhva yajur vedi vaideeka chant sri
rudram or chamakam although Anantheshwara at Udupi has been worshipped by
krishna mutt swamijis and followers for a very long time.

Is it part of sri vaishnava sampradaya principles that once somebody has
initiation to the nithya upaasana that they have to desist from worshipping
shaiva and saaktha deities? Or is it a generic blind orthodoxy? Do you
have an idea how common this absolute sectarian division of even deities
and the shaastra support (if at all it could be supported sensibly) for
such attitudes?

thanks,
-gopal


> I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
> Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
> town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
> there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
> reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
> the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.
>
> subrahmanian.v
>
> >
>
V Subrahmanian
2012-09-07 16:22:19 UTC
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Gopal <gopal.gopinath-***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> Dear Sri Subramanian,
>
> While i am not sure, like you, how true is the incident in Sri Acharya's
> life, very recently I had to witness a similar behavior by acontemporary
> sri vaishnava pravachana kartha. I do not want to name the bhagavatha in
> a public list. In the place where I currently reside, both siva and
> vishnu sannithis are side by side though following respective aagamaa-s for
> puja vaibhavam. This gentleman refused to go near siva, siva family
> deities but walked straight to Balaji sannidhi before started to give a
> talk on hindu religion. This was witnessed by a dozen laymen devotees who
> were perplexed. The snubbed priests are sivaachariyaar-s and at least 2 of
> them are dvivedhi-s. He was not disrespectful to them but told them on
> their face: " I do not visit siva sannidhi-s". I am glad Sri Raama did
> not think so before the battle nor the rishi drushta of naraya suktam who
> declared : sa brahma, sa shiva, sa hari, sa indra..".
>
> Adding on to another response, it is not just veera shaivetes and
> lingayats, many madhwas abhor vibhoodi prasaadam, visiting shiva temples
> after bath etc. I have not heard a maadhva yajur vedi vaideeka chant sri
> rudram or chamakam although Anantheshwara at Udupi has been worshipped by
> krishna mutt swamijis and followers for a very long time.
>
> Is it part of sri vaishnava sampradaya principles that once somebody has
> initiation to the nithya upaasana that they have to desist from worshipping
> shaiva and saaktha deities? Or is it a generic blind orthodoxy? Do you
> have an idea how common this absolute sectarian division of even deities
> and the shaastra support (if at all it could be supported sensibly) for
> such attitudes?
>

Dear Gopal,

In all such traditions there are what can be called: radicals and
moderates. I have personally seen and reported here about the beautiful
shrine for 'Rudra devaru' as it is called by Madhwas, at the pUrNaprajna
vidyApITha, Bangalore, consecrated by the Pejawar Seer. They do a very
devout pUja regularly at the shrine. Sri Rudra chanting goes on there, by
an audio CD. There are vedic pundits among Madhwas too who must have
learned the Sri Rudra too as part of their adhyayana. I do not think they
are averse to Shiva since for them Shiva is 'manaHkAraka' whose grace is
prayed for to attain pure devotion to Vishnu by Madhwas. Sri Purandaradasa
has composed soul-stirring songs on Shiva and praises him as the foremost
bhakta of Vishnu.

Such odd behaviour can be seen only among selected few but there are many
who are more broad minded. In fact I heard Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami
addressing srivaishnavas (maybe on his tour to the US and Canada) saying:
People say 'we visit all temples and therefore why you (srivaishnavas) too
should not visit Shiva and shiva parivara temples? Our reply should be: we
are devoted to Vishnu and we stick to our one-pointed devotion to Him
only.' So that is the kind of teaching they give and some people take it
seriously and apply it in their lives. They quote some Azhwar's works and
say: rather than vishnu bhaktas being devoted to Shiva, it is Shiva who
should be 'careful' with vishnu bhaktas...and so on...' One can see
fanaticism in some vishnu bhaktas' works.

regards
subrahmanian.v

>
> thanks,
> -gopal
>
>
> > I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of
> the
> > Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of
> a
> > town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
> > there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja
> is
> > reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
> > the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.
> >
> > subrahmanian.v
> >
> > >
> >
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sriram
2012-09-07 15:41:29 UTC
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Dears
It really sounds strange.Such a great man as Sri Ramanujacharya could not
have said this.May be some body is misquoting Him.R.Krishnamoorthy.
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> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
>> I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
>> heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
>> shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
>> bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
>> far it is true.
>>
>
> I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of
> the
> Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
> town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
> there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
> reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
> the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.
>
> subrahmanian.v
>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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narayan iyer
2012-09-07 07:08:31 UTC
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>> heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
>>Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
>>town there was a very heavy downpour.  When someone from a Shiva temple
>>there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
>>reported to have replied:  A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha.  In
>>the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's. 


My opinion is that these are purely urban legends, whether told by a scholar or not.  
If questioned back by the Siva temple staffer, as to why a pativratA (Sri Ramanujacharya) 
was walking down the street of a parapuruSha (Siva temple) I do not think Sri Ramanujacharya
would have had a satisfactory counter or why Sri Ramanujacharya could not foresee the downpour.

narayan


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vinayaka ns
2012-09-09 12:17:40 UTC
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Namaste,

Recently someone known to me who is broad-minded got married to a man from
a vaishnava family. Now I hear that she is allowed to go only to vishnu
temples; she can't visit other temples. What a torture!

Best Wishes,

Vinayaka



On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:58 AM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian-***@public.gmane.org>wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr-zOhu8KlzJ1LQT0dZR+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > praNAms
> > Hare Krishna
> > I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi. I
> > heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
> > shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
> > bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-)) But I donot know how
> > far it is true.
> >
>
> I heard from a talk by Sri VeLukkuDi Krishnan Swami, a noted scholar of the
> Srivaishnava sampradaya that when Sri Ramanuja was walking the street of a
> town there was a very heavy downpour. When someone from a Shiva temple
> there called him in to rest for a while till the rain stopped, Ramanuja is
> reported to have replied: A pativratA will not go to a parapuruSha. In
> the same way I will not enter a temple other than Vishnu's.
>
> subrahmanian.v
>
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> > Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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sriram
2012-09-03 16:39:33 UTC
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Dear Sri Venkatesa Murthy
For archana purposes this can be used as namavali.R.Krishnamoorthy.
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> In which Pooja we have to say Rudra Trishati? In Siva Pooja book Rudra
> Chamaka only is given for Abhisheka with Laghu Nyasa.
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Venkata sriram P
2012-09-04 18:55:13 UTC
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Namaste,

//
lalita triSati is comprised of names starting from the 15 letters of the panchadaSaakshari maha-mantra of Lalita Tripura Sundari. This is from mantra Saastra, not from vEda like Siva triSati, and hence does not have swara-s.
//

A small correction.

This is not shiva trishati but rudra trishati only.Shiva trashati is in matsya purANa which is shukrAchArya
prOkta. shukrAchArya understakes *dhUma vrata*. Pleased
with the penance of shukrAchArya, shiva blesses with His
vision. In ecstasy, shukrAchArya praises Shiva with
300 names which is known as *shiva trishati*.

Regs,
sriram
Sarma KV
2012-09-05 14:06:44 UTC
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Thanks, Sriram ji for the correction - understood the difference between
Siva and Rudra triSati nama-s.

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Venkata sriram P
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> Namaste,
>
> //
> lalita triSati is comprised of names starting from the 15 letters of the
> panchadaSaakshari maha-mantra of Lalita Tripura Sundari. This is from
> mantra Saastra, not from vEda like Siva triSati, and hence does not have
> swara-s.
> //
>
> A small correction.
>
> This is not shiva trishati but rudra trishati only.Shiva trashati is in
> matsya purANa which is shukrAchArya
> prOkta. shukrAchArya understakes *dhUma vrata*. Pleased
> with the penance of shukrAchArya, shiva blesses with His
> vision. In ecstasy, shukrAchArya praises Shiva with
> 300 names which is known as *shiva trishati*.
>
> Regs,
> sriram
>
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Venkata sriram P
2012-09-07 05:29:22 UTC
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Namaste,
 
//
 
I thought reason for this is rudra is smashANa vAsi
 
//
 
So, from next time i would search for rudra in graveyards :))
 
//
 
I heard that some orthodox srivaishNava-s, if they accidentally have the
shiva linga darshana or shiva temple, immediately they go home and take
bath as they have seen the smashANavAsi rudra :-))  But I donot know how
far it is true.
 
//
 
This is the height of madness among certain section.  The same is also true for
vira shaivAs and lingadhAris.  They don't keep tulasi plant in their homes, don't
perform satyanArAyaNa vrata (instead perform veerabhadrOtsava).
The achamana of shrauta shaivAs starts with siva nAmAvaLi and they don't
utter 24 names starting from kEsava etc.
 
In sankalpa, wherever, viSNu name is there, it is replaced with shiva name.
 
Needless to say, the fights among these sects show how narrow-minded these
people are !! 
 
BTW, the purpose of *apa upa sprushya* is something else and one doesn't
become ashaucha by worshipping rudra.  If yes, then why to worship Him who
is the personified form of auspiciousness.
 
regs,
sriram
Bhaskar YR
2012-09-07 06:04:06 UTC
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praNAms Sri Sriram prabhuji
Hare Krishna

So, from next time i would search for rudra in graveyards :))

> Yes, we can start searching rudra in bald heads & thieves as well, as
he has been depicted as vyuptakesha and taskara :-)) But I think rudra
has some serious business at graveyards, because Sri Ramakrishna
paramahaMsa himself seen on the banks of ganga at Kashi, shiva taking the
care of graveyard cremation and giving mOksha to departed souls.

BTW, the purpose of *apa upa sprushya* is something else and one doesn't
become ashaucha by worshipping rudra. If yes, then why to worship Him who
is the personified form of auspiciousness.

> Yes, I do agree with this, but I dont know why ONLY after rudra
mantra-s, pitru mantra-s there is a kriya apa upa sprushya. As you know
in jayAdi we follow this procedure.

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
Venkata sriram P
2012-09-07 07:15:45 UTC
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Namaste,
 
smashAna is the place where all the living beings are put to final rest.
It is the place of final rest where all the worldly activities cease.
It is the place of final rest where there is no varNa, ashrama, dharma
& adharma. It is the place where all dualities cease to exist.
 
When the duality ceases, the residue in the form of jnAna siddhi
is the chitA bhasma with which rudra besmears himself.
 
The mAtrika varNamAla in the form of shruti, smriti & purANAs adorn
His neck as the garland of 50 letters.  There is also esoteric significance of
kapAla which the rudra sports in His hands. 
 
Also, another interpretation is smashAna is s(a)ma-shayana (sma = sama dama ityAdi shaTka sAdhana sampatti;  shayana = Ashraya sthAna). 
 
So, smashAna vAsi implies one who moves along with the jnAnis / yogis of highest order who are endowed with sama-damAdishaTka sAdhana saMpatti. 
 
And bhasma is the prakAsa in the form of culmination as jnAna siddhi
after practicing karma-bhakti-upAsana. 
 
BTW, as regards the vyuptakEsa swarupa, it denotes the yajna-deekshita yajamAni
who undergoes kEsa vapana prakriya; as regards the taskara swarupa, it denotes the
rudrA's anugraha who robs off our sins and depletes the karma phala.
 
As regards the ashaucha for tila-tarpaNa, it is only in the case of pitru-tarpaNa as
you yourself have mentioned. Ofcourse, rudra is also worshipped with the bhAvana of
pitru dEvata and he is one among the vasu-rudra-aditya respectively.
 
regs,
sriram
 
 
 
 
 
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