Mimamsa: mental perception as pramANa

[Praveen Bhat]

praNAm all,

In the article "Purva Mimamsa" by Dr. Subhash C. Sharma (compiled from
The Rig Veda; / and
/Indian Philosophy, Vol. 2, by S. Radhakrishnan, ISBN 019563821-4, pp.
374-429), he says
that in pratyaksha pramANa, although Mimamsa doesn't accept yogic
perception or smr^ti as
pramANa, it does admit mental perception by which there is cognition of
pleasure, pain, etc.
The problem I face is that smr^ti of a certain event or even a dream
could cause cognition of
pleasure/ pain. How is this separated out from smr^ti? Or am I
misunderstanding mental
perception itself?

On a related note, could someone who has studied Mimamsa/ sutras guide
me to an authentic
online or printed resource on it, with an English translation/
commentary? Meanwhile, I'll look
up the archives where much of this may have been discussed, perhaps by
Hudli-ji,
Balasubramanian-ji, etc.

Thanks much,
--praveen

[Ananta Bhagwat]

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Subject: [Advaita-l] Mimamsa: mental perception as pramANa

Jaimini accepts three pramANa-s (pratyaksha, anumAna, Agama); Prabhakara accepts five pramANa-s (add upamAna, arthApatti); and Kumarila accepts all six pramANa-s (add anupalabdhI). Sabara has his own views too.

mImAMsaka-s are hard nose realist except for their supreme faith in Vedas, particularly in karma-kAnDa. They do not accept Yogic intuitive experience since (and which) is not cognized directly through senses. Yogic intuition of past experience is also treated as memory rather than direct experience.

mImAMsaka-s accept pain and pleasure as perception when it is experienced directly through senses. Since dreams and dream objects are treated as a kind of manifestation of memory or remembrance, and the pain and pleasure caused by memory is not directly sensuous, their experience is not treated as perception.

Though Jaimini, Kumarila, Prabhakara, and Sabara had different shades of opinions on pramANa-s (including perception), they appear to have common opinion about directness of perception and Yogic intuition not qualifying the criteria of direct perception.

If you want the satisfaction of referring to original Sanskrit Text of Jaimini's sUtra-s (and lot more of Vedic literature in Sanskrit) you may visit
http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve

For practical purpose Radhakrishnan's and Dasgupta's volumes in English are good enough (the later is perhaps too opinionated but scholarly - its historical perspective of gItA in vol II is quite interesting).

ananta

[Praveen]

praNAm all,

Hari Om, Bhagwat-ji,

Post by Ananta Bhagwat
mImAMsaka-s accept pain and pleasure as perception when it is experienced directly through senses. Since dreams and dream objects are treated as a kind of manifestation of memory or remembrance, and the pain and pleasure caused by memory is not directly sensuous, their experience is not treated as perception.

Thanks much, this clarifies my doubt, in terms of how pain and
pleasure is direct for mimAmsakas; my confusion had arisen due to the
usage "mental perception" in the article. Also thanks for the link.

--praveen
/* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
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[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Shree Praveen Bhat - PraNAms

While analyzing the Vedanta Paribhaasha Text of Dharmaraja Advarindra, I have discussed the internal perceptions where the pain, pleasure etc come under which are direct perceptions and recollection of the past perceptions via memory were discussed exhaustively. You may be able to download those articles from archives.
Hari Om!
Sadananda

Post by Ananta Bhagwat
Subject: [Advaita-l] Mimamsa: mental perception as pramANa
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 3:09 AM
praNAm all,
In the article "Purva Mimamsa" by Dr. Subhash C.
Sharma (compiled from
The Rig Veda; / and
/Indian Philosophy, Vol. 2, by S. Radhakrishnan, ISBN
019563821-4, pp.
374-429), he says
that in pratyaksha pramANa, although Mimamsa doesn't
accept yogic
perception or smr^ti as
pramANa, it does admit mental perception by which there is
cognition of
pleasure, pain, etc.
The problem I face is that smr^ti of a certain event or
even a dream
could cause cognition of
pleasure/ pain. How is this separated out from smr^ti? Or
am I
misunderstanding mental
perception itself?
On a related note, could someone who has studied Mimamsa/
sutras guide
me to an authentic
online or printed resource on it, with an English
translation/
commentary? Meanwhile, I'll look
up the archives where much of this may have been discussed,
perhaps by
Hudli-ji,
Balasubramanian-ji, etc.
Thanks much,
--praveen
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[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

Post by Praveen Bhat
On a related note, could someone who has studied Mimamsa/ sutras guide
me to an authentic
online or printed resource on it, with an English translation/
commentary?

Coincidentally what I've been busy with lately is revamping the Purva
Mimamsa Home Page (http://www.mimamsa.org/)

It will contain:

* Articles about Purva Mimamsa
* Biographies of Mimamsaka authors
* Glossary of Mimamsaka terms
* Bibliography of Mimamsaka works
* PDFs of Mimamsaka texts.

...and anything else that you want to know about the subject.

There is a lot of work remaining but check it out and see if it is useful
to you.

Post by Praveen Bhat
I think the moderators( Jaldhar) will post this to the main website when
they get a moment; but the link should be active for a couple of months.

Thankyou! The PDF is now available from

http://www.mimamsa.org/texts/

[Praveen]

praNAm all,

Hari Om, Jaldharji,

Post by Jaldhar H. Vyas
Coincidentally what I've been busy with lately is revamping the Purva
Mimamsa Home Page (http://www.mimamsa.org/)

...

Post by Jaldhar H. Vyas
There is a lot of work remaining but check it out and see if it is useful
to you.

I did find it from Google search earlier on and will be revisiting to check
updates often. Surprisingly, I didn't see so many working links then as
I see today! Thanks much.

Post by Jaldhar H. Vyas

Post by Praveen Bhat
I think the moderators( Jaldhar) will post this to the main website when
they get a moment; but the link should be active for a couple of months.

Thankyou! The PDF is now available from
http://www.mimamsa.org/texts/

Muraliji, thanks, I finally managed to download the text after multiple failed
tries (owing to dialup speeds). Those tinyurl and rapidshare servers didn't
allow continuing downloads after paused/ broken connection. I hope the
mimamsa.org server allows the same.

Rgds,
--praveen
/* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
--Br.Up. 4.5.15 */